Sep 23, 2009
Richard Beddard

The not-so Thrifty

In practice:

Not like the good old days

Sadly my plan to create a model portfolio of good companies at cheap prices, the Thrifty 30, by going back through the companies I’d profiled in the last year-or-so and including those that still fit the template, is snagged on the rusty nail of exuberance.

Since investors have enjoyed a summer a love, most of the companies have risen in price. I wish I’d created the Thrifty 30 back in March. There’d have been more companies to put in the portfolio, and it would have benefitted from all that lovin’.

Having risen from a low of eight times earnings, UK shares, as a group, are now no longer particularly cheap. This week I’m going to confuse the chart by introducing a new measure, the market’s ten-year price earnings ratio, currently 14. I’ve only measured it twice, this week and last, and you can just see the line starting at the right edge of the chart.

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The ‘long-term’ price-earnings ratio I have been reporting for the last couple of years has risen to 13, five points above its low in March and seven points below its high in December 2007. It may have been a little higher than that earlier in 2007, before I started measuring it.

Both ratios are median PE ratios of companies listed in London.

  • The ten-year PE compares the price of a company to the average of the last ten years of profits for each company, so only companies with ten years of profits qualify.
  • The 1-9 year PE compares the price of a company to the average of up to nine years of profits for each company, so companies with shorter stockmarket records are included.

Since most listed companies have been listed for a while, the two PE ratios should be very similar.

In time, I will probably switch to the ten-year PE because it’s a purer measure, but, for now, I’ll chart both as the history of the 1-9 year PE shows what happened to valuations during the financial crisis and the data is from different sources so each validates the other.

Right now, in rough terms, shares are approaching ‘fair value’, which explains why some of the bargains I’d identified before, no longer exist.

As promised, here are the not-so thrifty. Companies that were once cheap enough to merit inclusion in the Thrifty 30 but now I’m not so sure. For safety’s sake I’m leaving them out.

No longer Thrifty:

Since I wrote about them, the prices of Education Development International (EDD), Carluccio’s (CARL), ITE (ITE) and Victrex (VCT) have risen into speculative territory. Although they are probably very good companies, the probability that they are good investments is lower.

The prices of shares in these four are twenty or more times earnings. Victrex and EDI have long-term price earnings ratios of well above twenty.

Other things being equal that implies an annual return of 5% or less, unless these companies are much more profitable in the future than they were in the past. Maybe they will be, maybe they won’t, but I think it’s too big a gamble to take.

Shed Media (SHDP) is more tricky. Its price has risen 30% to 86p, but its seven-year price earnings ratio is just under 13. The shares are cheap enough to include in the Thrifty 30, if the company inspires enough confidence.

Shed announces its interim results later this month but encouraged investors with a statement in July that promised increased sales and profits.

More exciting, for traders with a short-term mentality at least, was an announcement the day before. The company revealed its executives are talking to private equity groups about a buy-out again.

The share price, therefore, is inflated by takeover speculation and investors with longer memories will remember this has come to nothing before.

If the buy-out succeeds, there may be some short-term gains, but that’s risky and not a Thrifty 30 trade. If it fails, the shares might fall into bargain territory again. Of course, they may not. After Thrifty 30 constituent OPD’s botched buy-out the price has soared, at least temporarily.

Weeks after I wrote about Celsis (CEL) in July it too was bought out by private equity at a premium of about 25% to the price I’d have ‘paid’ had I included it in the Thrifty 30 model portfolio then. I think its new owners got a pretty thrifty deal, which means, unfortunately, it’s not available now.

Still Thrifty:

Here’s the current members of the Thrifty 30 at yesterday’s close:

Notes:
The first transaction in the portfolio was on 9 September 2009
Cost includes £10 broker fee and £5 stamp duty
Cash earns no interest
Dividends are credited to the cash balance

Commenting on performance two weeks after starting a long-term portfolio would be ridiculous, so I won’t, except to say that the dead weight of cash will be a big influence until I’ve included more shares in it.

In fact, I won’t be able to say anything serious about performance until oooh, September 2014 as I’m aiming for a 15% annualised return over any five period.

And here’s the list of Thrifty 30 candidates, companies that, judging by the numbers alone, meet the Thrifty 30 criteria for value and financial strength.

Please scroll down to the bottom of the spreadsheet for explanations of the column headings. Some of the data is from Sharelockholmes.com, some is from Sharescope and some is mine. The companies are ranked so that the cheapest, strongest, most liquid candidates with the most up-to date financial data are nearest the top.

Maybe Thrifty:

I’m still plundering my back catalogue, as well as scouting for new companies like Solid State, the most recent inclusion in the Thrifty 30 last Monday.

Looking back, these companies may still be Thrifty: Delta (DLTA), Electronic Data Processing (EDP), Huveaux (HVX), Laird (LRD), Porvair (PVR) and T Clarke (CTO).

In theory:

Real contrarians are bullish now

Stateside, James Grant, says real contrarians are bullish now, because economists and investors are so pessimistic. Michael Panzner of Financial Armageddon disagrees.

An old obituary of Tony Dye reveals that the fund manager’s famous Cassandra-like warnings about the stockmarket in the late 1990’s were not the only time he was ahead of his time. He warned about the state of the global financial system too.

Economist Stuart Thomson predicts a WWW-shaped economic outlook over the next decade.

More evidence that booming economics do not breed booming stockmarkets, From the Empirical Finance Research Blog.

Markets are efficient much of the time, says Andrew Lo, but sometimes the ‘wisdom of crowds’ becomes the ‘madness of mobs’. Not so, say James Montier and Albert Edwards, mobs always rule.

Buying the S&P500 when its 10 year price earnings ratio is below average, and selling it when it’s above average, might beat buy and hold, says Steve LeCompte, but it’s probably not worth the effort.

Publishing is a dying industry says Paul Graham, the way to tell technological winners from  technological losers is to  determine whether they’re using technology to protect an existing source of revenue or giving people something new they couldn’t have before.

Value investing 101 from Columbia University’s Bruce Greenwald (video). Hat tip: Alex Garcia, Value Investing Pro

Hear, hear, Gregory Speicher spells out the importance of checklists.

Pity poor bankers, they’re not paid as much as sports stars.

7 Comments

  • Hi Richard,
    You post has made me wonder if there are any cheap sectors out there still. Obviously within a sector you will have over-priced and under-priced companies, but I thought it would be interesting to see if any sector was still relatively cheap after the rally.

    Anyway I downloaded all the data from Sharelockholmes as I needed to create some more powerful filters.

    The first one I am looking at is the average PER, 5Yr PER and 10Yr PER for each sector. There are some horrifically over-valued sectors based on the simple comparison of the averages, for example

    GENERAL FINANCIALS – Current PE 103, 5yr PE 25, 10Yr PE 4

    GENERAL INDUSTRIALS – Current PE 12, 5Yr PE 7, 10 Yr PE 4

    ELECTRICITY – Current PE 16, 5Yr PE 5, 10Yr PE 1

    OIL AND GAS PRODUCES – Current PE 42, 5Yr PE 26, 10Yr PE 13

    There are a lot more sectors in just as bad shape. However there are lots of caveats so do not take the numbers at face value (for example the standard deviation on these numbers is huge relative to the average). In fact, only one sector in particular stands out as quite cheap while still being a good solid area of investment.

    AEROSPACE AND DEFENSE – Current PE 10, 5Yr PE 14, 10 Yr PE 14

    From this set of 14 companies a couple stand out as fairly interesting

    ROLLS ROYCE
    ULTRA ELECTRONICS

    However there are still issues with these companies which means I would be cautious about investing in them without further research. They certainly would not meet your strict criterion for the Thrifty 30!

  • My bad! I had accidentally doubled all my averages so the numbers above are twice as big as they are meant to be :-)

    Anyway, the problem is fixed and I have further refined the filter to only look at FTSE100 and FTSE250 companies.

    Aerospace still looks good and another top scoring sector is tobacco (both sectors not being very ethical). However there is very little (in these two indices) which still fit your criterion of a PER below 10 and an F-Score of 7 or above.

    Anyway, if you look at the sectors alone and count the companies in those, 107 companies are in sectors trading below their 10 yr PE and 178 are in sectors trading above their 10 yr PE. So this next quarter earnings will likely determine if the market as a whole is overvalued or not.

  • Hi Robin, thanks for your post and correction! I hope you had a good summer :-)

    Looking at your sector lists I’m surprised as I don’t think defence or tobacco companies are particularly well represented among the bargain stocks my screen dredges up.

    I think one reason might be the unreliability of the one year PE (i.e. current PE). A high PE can mean the price is unusually high, or the earnings are unusually low. So those high sector PEs you quote could be high because the earnings in those sectors are expected to bounce back very strongly (financials comes to mind). In which case they might be good value recovery stocks despite their high current PE ratios.

    I ignore current PEs and prefer companies with long-term PEs under arbitrary values (Generally I wouldn’t consider anything on a PE above twenty, am warmer towards companies with PEs under fifteen, and think companies with PEs under 10 are potential bargains).

    I suppose you could look at the moving average 10y PE but you’d need more data than Sharescope has for that. If a sector’s ten year PE were above or below the moving average that might tell you something?

  • Hi Richard,

    I will e-mail my spreadsheet tonight so it is clearer what I am talking about.

    Note that my criterion is to compare the current PE to the 10 yr average that is reported on sharelockholmes. This does not mean the PE must be less than 10, just that it is less that this average.

    But you are correct, we need to look carefully at the earnings to see if the current level of earnings can be maintained in this quarter (i.e. have the various companies managed to cut their costs sufficiently to be profitable again). If not then any current PE must be viewed with extreme caution.

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  • Hi Richard,

    After our e-mail exchange I stand corrected! I got my ratios the wrong way round. Rolls-Royce and Ultra-Electronics look pretty expensive after all. After the adjustments we discussed, where I am trying to measure both current earnings and current PE against their long term ‘normal’ values, then I find a company like Electro Components quite good value and quite safe. But the downward trend in its long term PE suggests investors are less enthusiastic about its prospects for growth.

    However there are about 70 companies across the FTSE250 and FTSE100 which might be considered good value on these measures. Each one has its own story to tell. Too many for me to look at, that’s for sure.

    You also need to check the data REALLY carefully. Dana Petroleum looks hopelessly over-priced but the historical data may be including a huge negative PE number in March 2000 which has skewed the average in the wrong direction!

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